Full text of ' 0149707 GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS MAY 2 0,9f;9 ^ l DATE MICROFILMED ITEM /?- ' / PROJECT and G S. ROLL # CALL # A HOUSE OF HARRISON r! A HOUSE OF HARRISON TABLE OF CONTENTS PAGE General Historical Background Some First Harrisons to America Murder Mystery Insert on the Ancestry of Presidents Harrison Known Ancestry of the Presidents Harrison Unknown Possible Ancestors of the Presidents Harrison A Harrison Lineage Index 1 2 3 4 5 6-9 10-32 33-39 Bibliography; Va. Hist, (especially Vols 50-55), Tyler Quarterly (especially Vol.

Andrew York Denouement Rar Extractor. MATTHEW DOWD, ABC NEWS CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I look at it this way. In taking a look at this poll, I would describe it as good news, bad news, really bad news for President Trump in this. And the good news is, as we've talked about, he's got a solid level of support.

6), Settlers by the Long Grey Trail (Harrison), Ancestry of Benjamin Harrison (Keith), Rust Fam. Hist., Some Prom. (Bellett), Hist. (Boddie), Gen.

(Henry), Cav. (Nugent), Tennessee Cousins (Ray), Hotten's Persons, Amherst Co., Va. (Sweeny), Hist, of Monroe and Shelby Cos., Hist, of Henry and St. Clair Cos., Hist, of Audrain Co., Court records of Amherst and Patrick Cos., Va., Various Va. Records, Beardsley Fam. Bible Records, Records from National Archives, Family Records and Meraiories.

Compiled the years 1966-67 by Catherine Murphy HARRISON GENERAL HISTORICAL BACKGROUND The name Harrison is of Danish extraction: indicated by the use of the syllable 'son' as the ending of the name. This was customary of the Danes and has been in constant use in England since the Danish invasion. The name is still found in Scandinavian countries in the original form of Arysen. Well down into Tudor times, closely-knit settlements of descendants of these restless Danish sea-rovers survived in England. They were surrounded by, but not absorbed into, the population of the kingdom. Such a conclave existed in the Lake District of Cumberland and Westmoreland CountVies. To this group the Harrison family belonged.

In the 14th century a new impulse to migrate seemed to sieze these decendants of Danish 'pirates'. In a sx^arm, they began to leave their homes. One branch of the Harrison family went due East and settled dovm again in what is now Durham and Yorkshire Counties.

Another branch of Harrisons traveled due South and came to rest in Derbyshire where they soon intermarried with families of gentle birth. There had been Harrisons in the Royal Service at Court since the first Tudor. After two centuries in Derbyshire, that branch of Harrisons again split.

One branch settled in Northhamptonshire and became knovm as 'Gobion Manor' Harrisons. The other branch settled in and around London and became known as the 'Goldsmith' Harrisons. Both branches of the Harrison family used the same coat of arms.

By the 15th and 16th centuries, Harrisons V7ere scattered all over England. It is probable that John Harrison of Cambridge, with whom this booklet begins, was from Derbyshire and was the common ancestor of the Derbyshire, and Durham and/or Yorkshire Harrisons. The descendants herein charted were of the 'Goldsmith' Harrison branch of the family. THE FIRST HARRISONS TO AMERICA A number of Harrisons settled Virginia in the 17th Century.

The connection between but few of them is known. Those who emigrated before or around 1630 apparently died without issue. Just because they were interesting and deserve to be remembered, a few of their stories are herein told. Richard Harrison, Master's Mate of Bartholomew Gilbert's expedition to America. Richard and Gilbert were killed by Indians. It is interesting to think of the brief, shining hour Richard spent on the shores of America. He must have been a young and personable man to have secured the coveted position of Master's Mate with the nephew of Sir Walter Raleigh, Bartholomew Gilbert.

Either this or his connections in England were extremely good. The Gilbert family had long been noted for their sea conquests and merits. Perhaps just serving with a man of Gilbert's ilk was reward enough for Richard. Be that as it may, Richard has the doubtful distinction of being the first Harrison to be killed by Indians in America.

Richard was related to the branch of Harrisons with which this booklet deals. Harmon Harrison came to the colonies about 1608. Harmon probably died of yellow fever and lies in some unmarked grave.

He was born in Holland but of a family descended from the Colchester, Essex County, England, Harrisons. He came to Jamestown in the ship 'Gift of God'. It has been assumed he died without a family but a Harnnon Harrison showed up in records of North Carolina later on - possibly he lived longer than was originally thought. James Harrison, Ensign. At that time, the rank of Ensign was applied to the British Army, not the navy. James lived in Virginia from 1618 to 1622. Mad Professor Torrent Discography Garth. He married Anne Oliffe who came to Virginia in 1618 at age thirteen.

James was killed in the Indian Massacre. Anne escaped. Fifty-two people were killed in the particular massacre, including women and children. The colonists were caught unprepared as the Indians showed outward signs of friendship and hospitality. Anne later married Justinian Cooper. George Harrison lived in Virginia six years and died in 1624.

George was the brother of Sir John Harrison and they were sons of William Harrison of Lancaster, England. George was in the England jail on a charge of horse stealing (knew there had to be one!). Horse stealing was a serious crime in those days.

Through the influence of his brother, John, his sentence of hanging was reduced to bandishment to the colonies never to return. He was undoubtedly financed by Sir John as he soon was a man of influence and means in Virginia. He married Margaret Fanshawe.

George escaped the Indian Massacre that took so many colonists. He seemed to have a very disagreeable disposition as he was in several court suits with his neighbors. After a violent quarrel with Captain Richard Stephens, which resulted in a duel, George died of wounds. George and Sir John were also related to the Harrisons charted in this booklet. Ralph Harrison, of the Staffordshire Harrisons. Ralph, too, survived the Indian Massacre but died in Elizabeth City, Va., in 1623.

A plague was rampant then; probably the cause of his death. A MURDER MYSTRY There is absolutely no excuse for this story except no booklet is complete without a murder mystry.

A William Harrison (older brother of Benjamin Harrison of 'Gobion Manor') at age 70, walked out one day to collect the rents from his estate. He just didn't come back. This was in 1660 in England. His servant, John Perry, appeared the next morning telling a confused story of being waylayed and robbed. Edward Harrison, William's son, accused the Perry family of murdering his father.

Joan Perry, John, and another son were executed; she as a witch. Two years later, William came back and told an involved story of being attacked, wounded, robbed and put aboard a Turkish ship and sold as a slave. William escaped and, after many adventures and hardships^made his way home. History generally agrees that Edward procured his father's abduction in order to reap the fruits of his stewardship.

INSERT ON THE ANCESTRY OF PRESIDENTS HARRISON The ancestry of William Henry Harrison, 9th President of the United States, and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison, 23rd President of the United States, has never been settled to the satisfaction of historians. There are many claims, counter-claims, opinions and stories - none of which can be proved beyond question. That a relationship existed between the Presidents branch of the Harrison family and the branch about which this booklet is written is not questioned. How it existed is open for argument. A direct descent is not possible. This is well documented. The relationship is distant and finds its base in England, not America.

Just as a matter of interest, a brief history of the known ancestry of the Presidents follows: and some theories on the unknoxjn ancestry. KNOWN ANCESTRY OF THE PRESIDENTS HARRISON Benjamin Harrison came to Virginia before 3/15/1633-3A; when he was signed as Clerk of the Council. He was young - in his thirties - and a well educated man. He was said to have a brother.

Some say the brother's name was Peter, some say Richard. Some say the brother came to the colonies and some say he stayed in England. Anyway, Benjamin married Mary. Mary's last name is questionable also. The Flood family seems to have the most evidence to back up a claim to her. Benjamin, Clerk of the Council, and Mary had two sons: Ben j amin and Peter. Benjamin died about 16A5 and his widow, Mary, married Benjamin Sidway of Surry County.

They had one son, Thomas Sidway. Mary's will, dated 3/1687-88, mentioned only her sons Benjamin Harrison and Thomas Sidway.

Evidently Peter died young without issue. Benjamin, son of Benjamin and Mary, was bom 9/20/1645 and died 1/30-1712-13. He married Hannah, bom 2/13/1651-52, died 2/16/1698-99.

They had children: Sarah, Benj amin, Nathaniel, Hannah and Henry. Benjamin, son of Benjamin and Hannah, was born about 1673, and died 1710. He married Elizabeth Burwell, daughter of Lewis Burwell. Elizabeth died 1734, age 57. Their children: Benj amin, Elizabeth, and Nathaniel. Benjamin, son of Benjamin and Elizabeth, died 1744.

He married Anne Carter, daughter of Robert Carter. He and Anne had nine children: the third child was Benjamin. Benjamin, son of Benjamin and Anne, was bom 1726, died 1791. He was one of X the signers of the Declaration of Independence. He married Elizabeth Bassett. They had seven children; the youngest was William Henry.

William Henry, son of Benjamin and Elizabeth, was bom 2/9/1773 and died 4/4/1841 while President of the United States. He married Anna Symmes, daughter of John C.

They had ten children; the fifth child was John Scott. John Scott, son of William Henry and Anna, was born 4/4/1804, and died 5/1878. He married Elizabeth Irwin. They had nine children; the second child was Benjamin.

Benjamin, son of John Scott and Elizabeth, was bom 8/20/1833, and died 3/13/1901, He married Caroline Lavina Scott and they had two children. Russell Benjamin and Mary. Caroline died while Benjamin was 23rd President of the United States. After Caroline's death, Benjamin married a widow, Mrs. Dimmick, and had one child: Elizabeth.

UNKNOWN POSSIBLE ANCESTORS OF THE PRESIDENTS HARRISON Since Benjatnln Harrison, Clerk of the Council of Virginia in 1634, is the earliest certainly kno im ancestor of the Presidents, his identity is the one in question and the identity of a possible brother. One theory is that this Benjamin Harrison was the son of the regicide. General Thomas Harrison, who was instrumental in the beheading of King Charles I of England; and who xjas himself beheaded later on, Charles P» Keith in his book, 'Ancestry of Benjamin Harrison' discredits this by proving General Thomas Harrison was a contemporary of the Benjamin who emigrated to America. Any son of General Thomas Harrison's would have been too young to qualify for Clerk of the Council in 1634. These two Harrisons were, however, related. Joseph Harrison brought this tradition to New York early in the 19th Century; Four brothers from Yorkshire, England, emigrated to America during the reign of Charles I.

They v;ere: Thomas, Richard, Benjamin, and Nathaniel Harrison. A fifth brother, Edward, a member of the Clergy, remained in England.

Nothing has been found to connect this family ■.,)■) 5. Ray, in his book 'Tennessee Cousins', thinks Benjamin Harrison, Clerk of the Council, was son of Richard Harrison, the Master's Mate v;ho was killed in 1603 by Indians on the Virginia coast. Richard left money with a brother, Peter Harrison of Warmington, only for a son, Peter. No mention was made of a son, Benjamin. There is a strange coincidence to back up Worth S. Richard Harrison married Margaret Pilkington. A Margaret Pilkington and her husband, William, were found living next to Benjamin Harrison, Clerk of the Council, in Virginia - as a mother or a close relative, would follow to a new covmtry and settle nearby.

Francis Burton Harrison, writer and scholar, soent many years in England attempt- ing to solve the mystery of the identity of Benjamin Harrison, Clerk of the Council. He submitted possible answers: 6.

There was a family of Harrisons of Stationer Company of London. One member of this family, John, left a will in 1612 and mentioned four sons: John, Philip, Josias, and Benjamin.

Of all the members of this family and of all of John's Sons, Benjamin is the only one who did not appear later in the records of the Stationer Company of London as apprentice or freeman. As a member of this company, this Benjamin would have been a well educated man as was Benjamin of Virginia. John, the son, left a will in 1652 in which he mentioned an 'unkind son, Richard', who left him in old age to go to America. This Richard was Identified as Richard Harrison of New Haven, Conn. Some authorities claim this Richard was the brother of Benjamin, Clerk of the Council in Virginia. This Harrison family was related to the Cambridge Harrisons. Many authorities believe that Benjamin Harrison, Clerk of the Council in Virginia, had a brother, Peter, who was Clerk of the Peace in Cambridge, England, in 1632.

This Peter, Clerk of the Peace in Cambridge, was bom in 1607 in Belton Co., Rutlandshire, England. He married Eleanor Ryvers in Cambridge in 1627-8. A daughter, Ellen, was bom 1630 and a son, George in 1632-3.

North Harrison, grandson of John of Cambridge, assisted Peter to this appointment as Clerk of the Peace. Peter Harrison of Wamiington left a will in 1605. In this will were mentioned sons John and Peter; a daughter, Eleanor; and Peter, son of Richard Harrison, deceased. In 1632, Eleanor, by then widow of the Bishop of Ross, wrote the Privy Council of England with complaints about Irish land grants and also stated that her nephew, Peter Harrison, Clerk of the Peace of Cani>ridge, had improperly withheld funds from her. These children of Peter of Warmington are interesting and their stories are worth the telling: 8 The elder son, John Harrison, was Governor of Bermuda in 1623. In about 1600, he was with the ill-fated Earl of Essex in the campaign against Ireland. The Earl of Essex returned to England in six months to lose his head under Queen Elizabeth.

John, however, stayed three full years and returned on the ascession of King James to the throne. John entered the service of James' eldest son. Prince Henry, and stayed with him ten years until the death of Prince Henry. After this time, John became acting Governor of Bermuda. John was either very careless or a poor judge of money matters as he returned to England in debt and never recovered his fortunes.

As a man of influence, however, in Bermuda, John would have been influential in obtaining the post of Clerk of the Council in Virginia for a son or kinsman. The younger son, Peter Harrison II of Hindley Co., Lancaster, was born 1591 and died 1673. • n; *f 13 IV ANTHONY HARRISON - To Virginia by 1650. Anthony was in Northumberland Co., VA. In 1653, but he may have arrived in the colonies much earlier. He was induced to come or came with Samuel Bonnam.

They may have been related through inter-marriage of the Harrison-Rust-Bonnam families. Decendants of • Thomas Cropley and other families related to the Harrisons in England - the Raynes, the Dinleys and the Tomlinsons - were found living around and about Anthony in Virginia. RICHARD HARRISON - Patented lands in 1664. Andrew - Died 1686, He married Thomasin Rayne, widov/ of Rowland Rayne ^^7ho died in Accomac Co., Va., in 1639-40.

Thomasin had a son, Andrew Rayne, by Roi/yn, Michael Wain 26 u Emma Jean 24 Ronald 26 II Fannie 26 II Francena 18 Hall, Susan 21 II Frances 19 Harris, Clifford 26 II Frances Roberta 31 ' Francis Lee 26 II Francis 6,9 ' Guy 26 II Francis B. 20-27 ' Lucille 26 II Francis M.

UPDATE: co-author admits it is a “horrible mistake”, see below – Anthony From the you’ve got to be effing kidding me department. First, I apologize to my readers for the headline. Read on and I think you’ll see it is justified.

The headline is paraphrased from the article and the paper to give you the flavor. I have reproduced the passage used by the Guardian and provided a link to the full paper below. First, the: (h/t to reader “a jones”) Now the paper, peer reviewed and published in titled: Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis Seth D.

Baum,1 Jacob D. Haqq-Misra,2 & Shawn D.

Domagal-Goldman3 1. Department of Geography, Pennsylvania State University. Department of Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University 3. NASA Planetary Science Division Acta Astronautica, 2011, 68(11-12): 2114-2129 Here’s the relevant passage: A preemptive strike [from extraterrestrials] would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilization may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth’s atmosphere (e.g.

Via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth. While it is difficult to estimate the likelihood of this scenario, it should at a minimum give us pause as we evaluate our expansive tendencies. Words fail me.

Truly this is science fiction, and not the good kind. I have a feature called “Climate Craziness of the Week”, this may be the all time winner. Read the entire paper (PDF) ================================================================ UPDATE: Former Economist sci/tech reporter Oliver Morton chips in with this in comments, it seems a “horrible mistake” was made by the co-author. Still no word on how this passes peer review. So here’s the thing. This isn’t a “NASA report.” It’s not work funded by NASA, nor is it work supported by NASA in other ways. It was just a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom happens to have a NASA affiliation.

But I do admit to making a horrible mistake. It was an honest one, and a naive one but it was a mistake nonetheless. I should not have listed my affiliation as “NASA Headquarters.” I did so because that is my current academic affiliation. But when I did so I did not realize the full implications that has. I’m deeply sorry for that, but it was a mistake born our of carelessness and inexperience and nothing more. I will do what I can to rectify this, including distributing this post to the Guardian, Drudge, and NASA Watch.

Please help me spread this post to the other places you may see the article inaccurately attributed to NASA. For those outside the UK, the Guardian is a left-wing ‘warmist’ newspaper which prides itself on having an online comment section called ‘Comment is Free’. And it is, unless you suggest that climate change may be natural; in which case you are ‘deleted’.

So, comment is free, but speech isn’t. I notice that this piece is written by someone called Ian Sample, who is described as their ‘Science Correspondent’. So much for the Guardian’s science then.

But this one really takes the biscuit. It shows that they are getting desperate. It’s enough to make a cat laugh. “Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad”.

“Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth’s atmosphere (e.g. Via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth. While it is difficult to estimate the likelihood of this scenario, it should at a minimum give us pause as we evaluate our expansive tendencies.” So, how many advanced alien civilizations are estimated to be located within one hundred thousand light years of earth? Propagation delay — it’s a tough concept. I think NASA could tolerate a few budget cuts. As a proud member of the Union of Concerned Scientists, I am advocating everyone get a copy of Slim Whitman’s Indian Love Call and have it ready to play when we are invaded.

Nuckuler weapons are powerless against these alien forces, we must have at the ready the only known weapon that can destroy them in their tracks: Country Music. I am also urging the UCS to put out an urgent bulletin that implores the males to learn jews harp, and females to learn to play the spoons. Small children should be given kazoos, and people of German extraction should make ready their accordions. As an absolute last resort, and ONLY as a last resort, those few that are remaining should be encouraged to uncask the banjos. I just hope it doesn’t come down to that.

(prepare them with aDF#AD tuning, boys). About “Acta Astronautica”, Elsevier publication: It’s a peer-reviewed publication. “The system automatically converts source files to a single Adobe Acrobat PDF version of the article, which is used in the peer-review process. Please note that even though manuscript source files are converted to PDF at submission for the review process, these source files are needed for further processing after acceptance.” So i think the publication of this paper is an important milestone for science: It proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you can publish any kind of drivel in a peer-reviewed journal as long as you believe in AGW.

I am so happy to know that my tax dollars are being spent on research about the big possible maybe that the “statistical probability extra-terrestrial” is possibly either nice and pleasant, don’t care hippies of green skin, or a legion of storm troopers that may be benevolent, helpful, or just angry. Of course, all of this is meaningless unless this was done a computer model. It probably was. Except, the programmers used the climate models as a baseline and left in the CO2 knob. Someone obviously turned it on the “super high death warming mode” and with a few “hansen adjustments” made it into the paper Now, where did I put that photo torpedo? I at least found my light saber. “Truly this is science fiction, and not the good kind.” No.

Not even the bad kind. I write science fiction. My readers expect the science part to have some basis in reality (even if only a theory not generally accepted, it has to be internally consistent). My readers will write and ask to see my numbers or references if they have difficulty with one of my plot elements (and unlike certain “climate researchers”, I will share that data). Suspension of disbelief is one thing. But 1) aliens detect a 1-Earth mass planet, 2) at a range of multiple lightyears determine its “correct” temperature, 3) determine that temperature is rising dangerously (which we can’t do on site), 4) detect that the increase is SGW (sapiogenic global warming [grin]), 5) determine that makes humans a threat to other species lightyears away (hmm, better make that sapiogenic galactic warming instead), and 6) decide that the only way to stop the inevitable massacre is to massacre the miscreants I wouldn’t touch it. True, the idea has been used.

But not in what I would call SF, and very poorly at that. “I imagine they might exist in massive ships having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.” ~ Stephen Hawking from “into the Universe with Stephen Hawking”. So, in other words, said aliens would not be scolding us for doing what they already have done.

They would just go ahead and wipe us all out anyway I tend to agree with the acclaimed British physicist, as opposed to a Guardian article quoting Penn State and NASA “experts”. Efffing kidding me is right What a preposterous pile of bullsh!t. I have to say I nearly fell out of my chair when I read this These so called scientists that produced this rubbish should have their degrees run through a cross cutting shredder doused in gasoline and dropped in an incinerator just prior to having the ashes dispersed in the Arabian sea with Bin Laden’s foul remains. After that ceremony is complete they should publicly apologize for their colossal failures as scientists and then they should demand a refund for said so-called educations. This is yet another piece of validation that the liberal world view is based on self-loathing. So an alien species would see us as bad and destroy us so that we don’t “damage” the rest of the neighborhood.

The more years that go by the more I honestly believe that the liberal world view is based on personality disorder. It would be very ironic if they were to view us as A: food or B: a rather pristine planet rich in resources that is infested with a rather poorly developed life form that could be relatively easily wiped out and the planet exploited for the resources while the life forms are farmed for food/fertilizer. Maybe the aliens will be the bad guys. The liberal logic always twists “us” (be it our country, our culture, our race, whatever) to be “bad” and always reveres the alien culture or race or country. It is just plain nuts. “Read the entire paper here (PDF)” ============================================= I tried. I almost clicked the link.

I just can’t. I just can’t. It would be great to have every time someone babbles about peer-reviewed being a proxy for validity. Or every time someone spews about how much smarter the expert scientists are, or any number of things. But I just can’t. I’ve had too much cerebral pornography to last me a lifetime.this could possibly destroy my faith in humanity.

I just can’t. Carl “Bear” Bussjaeger says: August 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm “Truly this is science fiction, and not the good kind.” No. Not even the bad kind.

I write science fiction. My readers expect the science part to have some basis in reality (even if only a theory not generally accepted, it has to be internally consistent). On the other hand Carl, I suppose it might be possible that ET would invade us because our atmospheric CO2 level is rising and they want our CO2! Probably not, but it makes just about as much sense.:). At 3:40 PM on 18 August, AndyG55 had written: EE “Doc” Smith, Simak, Hoyle, Heinlein, Asimov etc really have had a big influence on these guys. Take not the names of our honored dead in vain, you, you mundane!

If any of the charlatans who’d authored this Acta Astrologica bumfodder had been real science fiction fen – readers of the work produced by Fred Hoyle, Robert A. Heinlein, “Doc” Smith, Isaac Asimov, or Clifford Simak – they would not have displayed the dearth of moral and intellectual integrity displayed in this spurious dollop of “research” published in a supposedly peer-reviewed scientific periodical. Fans, Andy, are s. John From New Zealand says: August 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm good point!

It would be pretty cool if they arrived in their spaceships and gave an ultimatum along the lines of.”all those who believe in AGW go to one side of the date line – all those who dont, go to the other, we know the answer and will settle the dispute once and for all” – Then after a week, they vaporize all those on one half of the planet and bugger off again, muttering something like – ‘right then, off to sort out another of the galaxies disputes.’. I wonder how many of the Team would stick with AGW once such a metaphorical ‘gun’ was pressed to their heads? I mean, I often wonder whether these guys really truly believe in their stuff or just believe in the tax dollars and funding they can screw out of the system? This is how cynical I have become, something I would never have dreamed of when I became hooked on scientific method and principles all those years ago.

Alternate reality stuff. Great plot for a B-movie with subpar lines and overbearing acting. If Space Aliens really did come by this place, they would soon realize that there’s no welcome mat. They’d blow it off and keep right on trekking.

They certainly wouldn’t be sharing any of thier advanced technology with a bunch of madcap governments and crazed leadership. “Nothing to see down there, move the fleet along”. That’s is they could get here. More likely some government or big entity would try to pull off a Piltdown UFO visit, claiming to have been chosen to rule the world.

That NASA and even that a University would put their names to something like this is utterly disgraceful. Personally, I’d like to know if they had any funding for this (and of course, the source), and if it was developed and written during work hours for NASA at least – e.g., on the taxpayer dime. I assume Penn State is a public univ, but don’t know if that means their staff salaries are only state supported or if they’d be partially federally funded as well. I suppose to be fair I ought to read the actual paper first, but just the fact that the media can come up with this sort of story about it makes me wish we could strip the credentials of the ‘scientists’ who wrote the study (and maybe even look at those who taught them!) – and any involved who’s salaries ARE courtesy of taxpayers ought to be fired, asap. Reply to: mark wagner says: August 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm Mark, Mark, Mark! Are you behind the times or what?

Don’tcha know that those aliens will just use their choice of technologies such as ‘faster than light,’ hyperdrive, space folding, wormholes, stargates, or the like? Need the power of a sun? No problem, them aliens – er, I mean, sentient beings originating from a planet other than Earth – they’ll learned how to create and harness such power long ago, no problem! Get with the times there, Mark!

Reply to: vboring says: August 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm aliens may kills us because stories like this prove that we are mindless fools. And the benevolent helpful ones will pass us by for the same reason. My back of the envelope calculation shows conclusively that vboring’s hypothesis (above) is 10.14159e6 times more probable than the aliens killing us because of CO2 increase in our atmosphere /sarc. Message from Galactic Central: While monitoring the human species and especially their homeworld for the past 5 million years, we grow concerned of late regarding recent events. We are, therefore, instituting a quarantine of the human planetary system.to keep this disease of bizarre stupidity from spreading to other, more promising, sentient species. We remain hopeful that rational intelligence will once more emerge as a distinguishing characteristic of the human species. We are patient and will see what the next dozen millennia or so hold.

****background chatter**** preemptive strike indeed you’d think they were still climbing trees and scampering through the grasses ****signal ends****. Fox has it, and says it’s “thought-provoking”: 18 Aug: Fox Memphis: Experts Release ET Invasion Scenarios They speculate that extraterrestrial environmentalists could be so appalled by our planet-polluting ways that they view us as a threat to the intergalactic ecosystem and decide to destroy us. The thought-provoking scenario is one of many envisaged in a joint study by Penn State and the NASA Planetary Science Division, entitled “Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis.” Discovery has it, analyses it and says “we need studies like this”. Also links to the Guardian article. 18 Aug: Discovery: To Save the Galaxy, Destroy Humanity Analysis by Ian O’Neill Needless to say, all these scenarios are completely constructed from human experience — any study into the hypothetical nature of ETI will have a heavy anthropocentric bias. What if we encounter an alien civilization whose intentions are completely baffling?

What if we can’t decide whether their intentions will be positive, negative or neutral? Well, I suppose that’s why we need studies like this.

DirkH says: So i think the publication of this paper is an important milestone for science: It proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you can publish any kind of drivel in a peer-reviewed journal as long as you believe in AGW. Sadly, too true! BrianMcL says: August 18, 2011 at 3:16 pm I must remember this one the next time someone sounds off about the precautionary principle. Yep, a “planetary defense tax” (levied on all developed countries) and a “planetary defense force” with total authority is obviously required; just in case. Guess it is one of those days! 18 Aug: Statesman: AP: Seth Borenstein: Study: Species moving away from global warming faster north much faster than they were less than a decade ago, a new study says. About 2,000 species examined are moving away from the equator at an average rate of more than 15 feet per day, about a mile per year, according to new research published Thursday in the journal Science which analyzed previous studies “The more warming there’s been in an area, the more you would expect a species to move, and the more they have moved,” said study main author Chris Thomas, a biologist at the University of York.

“The speed is an important issue,” he said. “It is faster than we thought.” As the temperatures soared in the 2000s, the species studied moved faster to cooler places, Parmesan (Camille Parmesan, an ecologist at the University of Texas at Austin) said. This stuff belongs on some TV comedy about nerds, Big Bang Theory or such. The proposition is so far extrapolated from reality that one has to wonder about the intelligence of the author’s. I Googled the three of them and they are peas in a pod it would seem. 40 years ago you would dismiss these guys as acid heads but they are too young. Are the effects of LSD inheritable?

Their paper presents compelling evidence that it may be, more compelling than the fantasy it sets out. Do they have tenure? Does Penn State have ivory towers or are they just cheap plastic imitations? ( For ethical reasons of course.) Must go now. I have a life to get on with.

It is nice to start the day with a giggle though. Thankyou Andrew. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy was a better story.

It’s a lot easier for me to believe that alien civilizations would wipe out Earth because of a civil engineering bureaucratic foul-up, than to believe that an alien civilization capable of interstellar travel decide to destroy Earth because it discovered that it is a greenhouse with fluctuating greenhouse gases. I would think a space-faring species would consider that a rare find. Unless it had something against the color green. As the chief sentient indigenous species of Earth we might have some negotiating to do to keep what we have. But, then, it’s not like we haven’t had experience negotiated unequal treaties. So, for now, I’ll keep carrying my towel and hope the bureaucrats don’t destroy Earth. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth’s atmosphere (e.g.

Via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth. We’ve been transmitting radio signals since 1906, television since 1926, our continents light up at night (need I mention the 42.3 billion candlepower light atop of the Las Vegas Luxor casino), in credible bursts of energy from atomic bombs, and a whole bunch of other obvious clues we’ve been giving off long before global warming and and these scientists think a small increase in CO2 finally tipped them off? If the ETI’s knew the scientists who wrote this brilliant piece thought they were so stupid, they would be the first into the stewpot. To serve “Mann” –.

Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI Oh man, that’s such a relief, all the financial markets are moaning about the chance of a global recession. Maybe that will buy us some time unless the Vogon Constructor Fleet comes through first. Hey Anthony, what is category GLOC? Is that better than ridiculae? Isn’t very helpful (Guardian Life Of the Caribbean, Gorgeous Ladies Of Comedy, Ground Line Of Communication).

First used for. An interesting commentary at: Keith’s note: (Sigh) This article is prominently featured on the Drudge Report with the title of “NASA REPORT: Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilizations”. This is not a “NASA report”.

Nor does the Guardian article accurately describe the paper’s content and conclusions. Alas, NASA will probably just allow this latest misperception/mischaracterization to linger (along with all the other urban myths, faulty analyses, etc) with no response – at least none until it is too late to really make any difference. TheGoodLocust says (August 18, 2011 at 2:45 pm): “Um.sounds like the plot to The Day the Earth Stood Still.” That was my first thought, too, i.e.

The 2008 ecologically correct version (with Keanu Reeves as “Klaatu”), not the 1951 politically correct entry featuring Michael Rennie. I was suitably amused until it occurred to me that Klaatu may already be among us; I’ve actually seen his super robot, Al Gort! Lest anyone think we can avoid our fate by being “good”, note that virtue is just as likely to get us killed.

“I imagine they might exist in massive ships having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.” ~ Stephen Hawking from “into the Universe with Stephen Hawking”. So let me get this straight, Mr. Hawking–you’re saying these aliens exist in massive ships, so they’ve obviously got the technology to build on a grand scale and get said structures launched and across immense distances, meaning they’re very technologically advanced.

They must know how to obtain and refine metals like iron to make steel, as well as aluminum, from their home planet. Well honestly I don’t find this scientific peer-reviewed research in the least bit surprising because clearly these aliens already walk and talk among us and are hell bent on destroying our civilisation.

Wake up and smell these aliens deniers! To the naked eye they appear just like you and I but beneath their external subterfuge these intergalactic chameleons are very dangerous green aliens. Be alert and once detected always approach them with extreme caution as they’re known devourers of grey matter and will latch on and suck your sweetbreads dry if you drop your guard and get too close to any of them. An excruciating, hallucinogenic and agonising death as the Big Bang slowly fades with a whimper.

Robert of Ottawa, Any aliens capable of visiting the Earth are far, far ahead of us technologically. And as Arthur C. Clarke said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If, at the beginning of the industrial revolution only 150 years ago, a U.S.

Nuclear powered aircraft carrier had appeared, it could easily have destroyed the entire world’s wooden ship navies, and capitals, no problem. If an alien entity appeared here, it would be much more advanced than the example given above. Thus, we are totally at the mercy of any advanced entity. It’s entirely their call. But we can make plans to deflect continent-threatening asteroids, using only a tiny part of all the monies wasted on the CAGW scam.

Farmers from Outer Space. They came in green suits, they looked so nice and smiled a lot. They promised utopia, plenty to eat, easy money, free healthcare, plenty of nifty gadgets and the life of Riley. Nobody recognized them, until they began harvesting. By then, it was too late. The remnants hid in caves, and painted pictures of the game they hunted when the Aliens were away transporting more of the harvested.

Oh, we forgot to tell you.they were last seen 14,000 years ago. They went into suspended animation in the Antarctic and Greenland, waiting for the next big melt. Something went wrong during the Younger Dryas, and their reanimation mechanism malfunctioned due to a virus planted by infiltrating humans posing as harvest collaborators. Lately, there have been strange stirring deep in the vast expanses under the Antarctic Ice Cap. Greenland too. Some strange cores from the bedrock there are raising eyebrows. As usual, the institutions sit on the findings, keeping them hidden.

But, all that is about to change. Thier reanimation is being triggered by the opposite conditions: the end of the Interglacial.

Ancient texts recently discovered have fallen into the wrong hands: They plan on selling us to the Alien Harvesters in exchange for spacecraft technology. They’re coming. / end script Got cave? Here’s some information that may help people see the reality of our past. The truth which can stand on its own. Gods are an extraterrestrial race of beings.

Barbara Joy O’Brien – Co-author of ‘Genius of the Few’ Exposing the Lost City of ENKI by Angelique Serrao July 14, 2008 from WendagForums Website A stone calendar that is apparently older than 75 000 years has been discovered in Mpumalanga. Adam’s Calendar – as it has been named by the two South Africans who discovered the find – is reportedly the oldest man-made structure on Earth. This astonishing claim, which could set the scientific world in a spin, has been made in a picture book which is being released worldwide on Monday. ————————- UFO Quotes from Presidents, Astronauts, Senior Military and more.

UFO Cover Up? These people say YES. ————————- People need to get out of species adolescence and become eager and ready for alien society because it’s plain to see they( Jesus,Enki,EA plan to keep their promise of return to be our savior from the comming destruction.

Once you understand Gods are an extraterrestrial race of beings and get past the primitive concept of “God” and understand why the Gods left all those carvings in stone was for those of us who are enlightened enough to read and understand them, as they cannot be altered, unlike the Bible. Yet there are those who still swear by the Bible, in any of its myriad versions, as the revealed word of their “God” have to ignore or deny the clear fact that the Old Testament was a skewed and forged theo-political rewrite of a far more ancient document, the Enuma Elish, dating from at least Sumeria, which was not theological at all. —————————– China, Belgium, Spain, Chile, Uruguay and and now Mexico have officially acknowledged the alien presence —————————– ENUMA ELISH —————————— What else other than a space craft can the “fiery chariot” is,which is described so vividly in the “Book of Ezekiel”were? “Third Book of Enoch” that the Lord kept his “Shekinah” at the entrance of the Garden of Eden until the days of Enoch when he abruptly left for his heavenly abode, The Anunnaki-Sumerian (gods?) are the same as the Greek/Roman and Egyptian, and some also in other cultures just with different names. Enki/Ea/Ptah, Ningishzidda/Thoth/Quetzalcoatl, Enlil/Yahweh. Once you read a bit on the subject you will soon come to realise that the Anunnaki were/are real flesh and blood individuals capable of prolonging their life-span indefinately. “The Truth About Enki” THE TURTH ABOUT ENKI by John F.

Winston Messages From Enki: Humanity’s Father WHITE PAPERS Sapiens Rising: Beyond The Babel Factor Exponential Evolution: A Manual For Futants The Alien Question: An Expanded Perspective Zen In The Art Of Spiritual Machine Maintenance Genetic Exploration: An Expanded Perspective ———————— Those who from heaven came down and made the Garden of Eden at Eridu ————————————————— Eridu photos from british museum ————————- Everything you Know is Wrong Lloyd Pye – Everything You Know Is Wrong 1.6 Related Articles by Lloyd Pye: Human Origins – Part 1 Human Origins – Part 2 Darwinism vs. Creationism Life’s True Beginnings Our Earliest Human Ancestor? Carpenter Genes Mystery Skulls. I swear I’ve seen this movie before Yes, it was Keanu Reeves’ biggest dud.

The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008) An alien spacecraft of sorts arrives in New York City. Aboard is a human-like alien and a giant robot of immense size and power. The alien identifies himself as Klaatu and says he has come to save the Earth.

When the friendly, PC woman scientist, learns exactly what he means when he says he is there to save the Earth (destroy mankind), she tries to convince him to change his intentions. After 9/11 the left tried to put their own grievances in the mouths of al Qaeda, warning that we needed to become less capitalist, less imperialist, less prosperous, less consuming of resources, less racist (their accusation), more equalitarian, more socialist, more accepting of stone age intolerance, etcetera, if we wanted to avoid further “backlash.” Now they are putting their own grievances in the mouths of E.T. Very simply, it is THEY–in this case a cadre of NASA approved leftists–that want to destroy mankind, and their war against prosperity is well in control of the levers of power in many western countries, the worst example being the United States. Geoff C says: August 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm “If aliens can detect any fingerprint of intelligent life on earth, it will be our electronics communications.” What is it about people that ignore the bleeding obvious!!! Look at the ceiling!! What do you see? Look at the sky (at night) what do you see?

Look down a telescope in any urban environment what do you see? Human created light! Light modulated at various harmonics of 5Hz light that is millions billions trillions? Of times larger than any of the stupid “beacons to extraterrestrial life”. Indeed, if any alien were to look at the bleedingly obvious signal of human created light and the signals from all that mains cabling and its harmonics, the one conclusion they will draw is that: The world is controlled by two empires/religions, one based on the 60Hz “faith” and the other on 50Hz. They will then be able to plot the progression and growth of each empire draw fabulous “representations” of the churches of the 50Hz and 60Hz religions and no doubt show the high priests of the religions in their coats of flashing colours with tenticles hanging out. Bill Parsons said on August 18, 2011 at 3:36 pm: Well, Penn State, for one, can welcome our big-headed overlords.

Gee, I don’t know, I have seen bigger Huh, that’s strange. His eyes seem to be following me as I move around Like they’re watching me somehow I can feel those dark beady orbs peering into my soul === Noticed this on Michael Mann’s when finding the pic, note it now before it’s “disappeared” as too revealing: Mann, along with Gavin Schmidt, Stefan Rahmstorf, and others, co-founded the RealClimate website, launched in December 2004. The website’s purpose is to provide a site for commentaries by working climate scientists, “for interested public and journalists.” It is part of The Guardian’s Environmental Network.[17] I’m uncertain, given Wikipedia’s partially chaotic nature, if all three of these together are Reference 17 or just the first with the other two unnumbered/forgotten in the reference list: Pearce, Fred, The Climate Files: The Battle for the Truth about Global Warming, (2010) Guardian Books, ISBN 978-0-85265-229-9, pp. 1 December 2004. Retrieved 2010-09-13. “Welcome climate bloggers”. Nature 432 (7020): 933–200.

PMID So The Guardian is quite happy with Mann’s pet blog creation as it’s part of their “Environmental Network.” And they decided this chunk of craptastic goodness from Mann’s stomping grounds was worthy of the slaughter of quadrillions of innocent electrons to broadcast it to the world. An ongoing conspiracy to misinform and deceive the public into believing CAGW? Gee, why would anyone think that? DanDaly says: August 18, 2011 at 5:59 pm The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy was a better story. It’s a lot easier for me to believe that alien civilizations would wipe out Earth because of a civil engineering bureaucratic foul-up, than to believe Actually, that was a cover story. It was actually destroyed deliberately under the instructions of Zaphod, who was coerced into it by his psychoanalyst since he was unable to pay his humongous bill (IIRC).

Mind you, that was probably a cover story for. And so it goes on. May God bless and look after Douglas Adams for eternity!

>>Greg Bone says: August 18, 2011 at 6:50 pm >>Just want to clarify a point on what is required to achieve the >>speed of light. The sun accelerates several tons of matter every >>second to the speed of light in the form of photons. Errrrr since photons are massless, how do you imagine that there are ‘several tons of them’?? Go and stand in the corner, Master Bone, and take this pointy hat with you.

Big ‘D’ to the front, thank you. Better still, you could join the Grauniad as their science correspondent.. TimM [August 18, 2011 at 5:47 pm] says: “ To Serve Mann...“ ROTFLMAO! You know this will probably evolve into something else: To Serve PSU...

Several FOIA requests Two links mentioned in earlier comments: and have made it clear that NASA is not involved in this fiasco, although the fact that there was even some doubt *does* reflect on the current NASA and its direction. I was going to offer my opinion that this was a simple internal mis-communication where the NASA employee was told ‘Moslem outreach’ but took it as ‘Alien outreach’. Those comments from the authors at the above mentioned links do not address PSU however. They say they were just having fun. Perhaps, but did the taxpayers chip in at all? You guys who wrote this ‘paper’ better get on damage control or else you may singlehandedly be responsible for FOIA’s and a lot of aggravation for the school from the PA Attorney General and Congress, not to mention the public and their alumnus.

Kinda ironic, a lefty newspaper blog (Guardian) fingers PSU and NASA, and the AGW cult suffers another blow! It’s like friendly fire. Almost feel sorry for them.

This is also gonna leave a mark because one other casualty will be the typical AGW cultist that throws around the: ‘Hey, we have thousands of peer reviewed papers backing our claims!’. So much for that cavalier statement.

For example, the immediate response to that claim will be something along the lines of: ‘Peer reviewed papers huh? You mean like one!’. It’s all good.:-). If anybody has problems getting a science paper peer reviewed and published, then just stick this one in their face.

This is one fine example that any paper will be accepted along as it links AGW to it. Scientific method doesn’t matter, science doesn’t matter, imagination and alarm does. Imagination responce in progress. “The planet has not been attacked by ET over recent decades of warming because detected that humans have had little do with it and also observed warming over the centuries” “ET detected other planets in the solar system warming too from light years away so knew solar activity was part of it” “ET behind humans backs rented a copy of independance day and despite concerned of slight warming of the planet, called off attacks because got scared what humans may do to unfriendly visitors. So here’s the thing. This isn’t a “NASA report.” It’s not work funded by NASA, nor is it work supported by NASA in other ways. It was just a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom happens to have a NASA affiliation.

But I do admit to making a horrible mistake. It was an honest one, and a naive one but it was a mistake nonetheless.

I should not have listed my affiliation as “NASA Headquarters.” I did so because that is my current academic affiliation. But when I did so I did not realize the full implications that has.

I’m deeply sorry for that, but it was a mistake born our of carelessness and inexperience and nothing more. I will do what I can to rectify this, including distributing this post to the Guardian, Drudge, and NASA Watch. Please help me spread this post to the other places you may see the article inaccurately attributed to NASA. Oliver Morton (@Eaterofsun) says: August 19, 2011 at 5:26 am >So here’s the thing. This isn’t a “NASA report.” It’s not work funded by NASA, nor is it work supported by NASA in other ways. Not to worry – NASA knows full well it cannot block attempts by people affiliated with NASA from spouting off to peer journals, the US Congress, or anyone else who might be listening off the planet, especially if the subject includes CO2 pollution. Perhaps they’ll get an EPA grant to see if ETs will want to sample CO2 from Venus (too much sulfur?), Mars (too thin?), or Earth (just right, with good oceanic and limestone storage).

I would like to know who did the peer review. I have been in contact with the Aliens through the use of ACID (Alien Contact Interstellar Dialog). They sent one of their Ambassadors (ronaldmcdonald), a rather funny looking chap who reminded me of a clown, who explained that the Alien society was not going to destroy Planet. They were going to harvest some of the humans to eat.

They were going to pick only the biggest, plump, juicy ones; much like we pick the big fat plump cherry for a treat. You see, they are actually an advanced plant society (triffids) and their relatives are evolving on Planet. The Aliens are angry that we have been eating their brethren but need us to increase CO2 levels to 666 ppm so that they can complete their evolution. POT (Propaganda Overruling Thinking) will rise as the benchmark for the intellectual organizational structure of this newly evolved species that will then become the prime contact with ACID, which will then regulate the harvest of humans. The EPA (Extraterrestrial Propaganda Agency) will be the duel interface with ACID that will regulate all CO2 levels so as the plants on Planet are hindered in growth so that they do not become a threat to the Extraterrestrial plants. The EPA will serve the duel purpose of keeping the plants at bay while providing a stable supply of plump, ripe humans for a sustainable environment. Another organization, the IPCC (Interstellar Propaganda Colony Control), through frequent contact with ACID, will serve as the prime driver of policy to control humans by showing that the plants are doing the humans a favor by eating them, as it keeps their population under control.

A Goreacle will be installed to help the IPCC control the masses. There will be a major effort to eliminate the army of ones, the WUWT (World Understanding Weather Traits), as any independent thinking will have a detrimental effect on the combined efforts and effects of the EPA, ACID, POT, IPCC, and the Goreacle. This underground army is believed to be led by Anthony Watts, but due to the independent nature of its members there could be hundreds of thousands of cells. I will now meet with a representitive of BEER ( ). For anyone who is interested, Here is the authors web site Can anyone please explain to me why/how this obvious crackpot is able to produce this utter nonesense (presumably) at the US taxpayers expense and even worse subsequently get it ‘peer reviewed’ and published?

Here is his CV Note the ‘advisor’ for his PhD ‘Discounting Across Space and Time in Climate Change Assessment’ is one William Ewart Easterling who is the Dean of EMS at PSU which makes him Michael E. Mann’s () boss. Enough said I think? Well, Michael Crichton did tell us, tongue firmly in cheek, how space aliens (or, rather, a belief in space aliens) cause global warming. Now we have “scientists” telling us, in all seriousness, that space aliens could forcibly terminate global warming. If these characters are worried about how space aliens should react to us, they should be less concerned with greenhouse gases, and much more concerned over potential alien concern that global warming psychosis (and other popular eco-psychoses) are possibly contagious and thus Earth should be forcibly quarantined (or worse).

This has to take the award for climate craziness of the week, no contest. Mark Baker says: August 18, 2011 at 9:34 pm “Maybe I have had a bit too much of the Old Pulteney tonight but I cannot believe anybody actually wrote this as a serious endeavor. Somebody, somewhere planted this article and The Guardian picked it up or The Guardian knows it is crap and printed it anyway. I especially liked the section about not broadcasting anything that could tell the Aliens about the biological make up of humans. Isn’t that what we broadcast every hour every day?” Actually, it is a good use of the Precautionary Principle.

There is a finite chance that an advanced alien civilization exists (by “finite,” we mean that a finite number of zeros is needed to express the probability). There is a finite chance that the aliens might become pissed off because of our global warming. Therefore, the Precautionary Principle demands that we take action to prevent to possibility that Earth might be destroyed by Green Pissed Off Aliens. We must take action to reverse global warming and to create defenses appropriate for aliens. We will have new taxes on energy and new taxes for defense. In a way, it is sort of a Left-Right political compromise.

So, let me get this straight. Scientists have been arguing that current and future CO2 production will cause catastrophes and destruction, thus, eliminating most of humanity. They say, to save ourselves, we need to reduce CO2 emissions. But, now, the theory is our destructive CO2 and the production and technology related to it’s emission, if left unchecked, will make us too strong to destroy so the aliens will have to destroy us preemptively??? I kind of like the alien theory better, all things considered.

All of this Climate Change caused by man made global warming has it’s roots firmly based in the realm of Augmented reality, so it’s not at all surprising that it has opened up a whole new form of science of ‘anything is possible’, the result of which is evident by the increase of even more fantastical papers and accepted theories, the motto of this new group of scientists should be “Standing on the shoulders of Idiots”. Friends: Shawn D.

Domagal-Goldman was co-author of a peer reviewed, published paper that cited as his only affiliation “NASA Planetary Science Division”. That paper officially originates from Pennsylvania State University and from NASA.

The paper has been (justifiably) widely ridiculed, and Domagal-Goldman now circulates a statement saying; “So here’s the deal, folks. Yes, I work at NASA. It’s also true that I work at NASA Headquarters. But I am not a civil servant just a lowly postdoc. More importantly, this paper has nothing to do with my work there. I wasn’t funded for it, nor did I spend any of my time at work or any resources provided to me by NASA to participate in this effort.” Sorry, but that will not wash.

The output of any person employed on research work is owned by the employer. I spent over 3 decades conducting research at the Coal Research Establishment (CRE) for the UK’s National Coal Board (NCB). Anything I published in any form (e.g. A letter to a local newspaper) required approval by the NCB. And anything I published that stated my association with CRE or the NCB would have been an official publication of the NCB: how could it not be when I was employed by them to conduct research?

The paper published by Baum, Haqq-Misra & Domagal-Goldman IS an official publication deriving from Pennsylvania State University and from NASA. It will remain as output from NASA unless and until NASA takes disciplinary action against Shawn D. Domagal-Goldman and makes an official statement to repudiate the published paper. The fact that the paper officially originates from NASA is not affected by whether or not the paper “has anything to do with [Domagal-Goldman’s] work at NASA”. The paper was published by a co-author who works at NASA, it stated the co-author works at NASA, and it did not state that the it and/or its contents did not derive from NASA. Only NASA can declare that the paper does not originate from NASA and has not – at least, has not yet – made such a statement. Domagal-Goldman has no right to now claim the paper as his alone and not NASA’s: such a claim cannot be correct for any employed research worker (what if the next thing he thinks up – in what he claims is his own time – is a novel method for launching satelites?).

The daft paper of Baum, Haqq-Misra & Domagal-Goldman is a publication that officially originates from Pennsylvania State University and from NASA. War of the World – words sayeth all. Will the ‘peers’ please step forward. Hidden in a dark corner is the undeclared war- Darwinism vs goliath ET/intelligent design.

Capt Kirk – warp 9, please. Any body of intelligence that travels at this speed ain’t going to sweat the small stuff CAGW.

“assume we’re a pack of dumb asses”, and “tenticles hanging out” – oops my first cursory read – testicles What will happen to the culture of Darwinism if this side of the debate is ‘beamed up (particle transporter)’? Science transformation, polticial government vs independent critical thinking, one 4 yr presidential term or 60 yr/3 generational slow immersion. The first – ‘ah, I told you so’. And the second long-haul, most here will be back to earth-dirt before this happens, so who then will know? The third generation will say ‘this is the truth, and has always been’ “Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons”.

McCoy “The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe”. Calm down everyone. When the CAGWist fear promoter’s (see footnote below) alien invasion fleet arrives to destroy earth, all we need to do is show the aliens we have produced maple syrup. No alien would ever destroy a planet capable of making maple syrup. Right?: ) [ I loved that book... ] Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

John Footnote: ‘Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis’ Seth D. Baum,1 Jacob D. Haqq-Misra,2 & Shawn D. Domagal-Goldman3 1. Department of Geography, Pennsylvania State University. Department of Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University 3.

NASA Planetary Science Division Acta Astronautica, 2011, 68(11-12): 2114-2129. OK, I’ve done some further research on the ‘good (soon to be) Dr Seth Baum’ and he is what I can only describe as a ‘useful immature idiot’. Have a look at the ‘views’ and ‘research’ pages on his personal web site and you’ll see why I’ve reached this conclusion. He’s clearly intelligent and has an engineering/physics background.

How/why then does a man of his obvious intellect and talent end up in the Geography Department of a second rate US academic institution like PSU? He’s ‘useful’ IMO because he is obviously intelligent and has clear and obvious engineering/physics skills/talent yet he has ended up in a Geography Department. Are well paid/funded engineering/physics jobs that hard to come by in the US that the only way a gradute engineering/physics specialising in optics can find a job is to end up researching ‘global catastrophic risk’ in a Geography Department? IMO he’s ‘immature’ because at one time (which he seems to be proud of) he was involved in ‘designing a robot system that would drop water balloons on innocent pedestrians as they walked by.’ And finally IMO he’s an ‘idiot’ because he’s written this ridiculous paper which does absolute nothing for his academic reputation.

Now funnily enough this all has a familar ring to it. Who else do I know who is a graduate engineer/physicsist who has ended up finding a job within a Geography Department and who on far too many occasions has demonstrated very immature behaviour and who has also published a number of ridiculously flawed/stupid papers (de-centred PCA and upside down proxies anyone?)? Ah – of course this Mann! The Nobel Prize for Economics winner, Paul Krugman, recommends an alien invasion to rescue the planet Earth from its economic doldrums.

Krugman should coordinate his theory with the Pennsylvania State University theory to achieve a scientific consensus on the need for a trillion dollar program to save the planet Earth from economic destruction/alien destruction by a proposiing a sustainable compromise. I don’t know what has affected Krugman’s thinking, but a first thought about the PSU authors is that they are suffering a concussion from having been struck on the noggin by a Mann hockey stick.

This passage from the paper cracked me up. “Another recommendation is that humanity should avoid giving off the appearance of being a rapidly expansive civilization. If an ETI perceives humanity as such, then it may be inclined to attempt a preemptive strike against us so as to prevent us from growing into a threat to the ETI or others in the galaxy. Similarly, ecosystem-valuing universalist ETI may observe humanity’s ecological destructive tendencies and wipe humanity out in order to preserve the Earth system as a whole. These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems.

It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets. We acknowledge that the pursuit of emissions reductions and other ecological projects may have much stronger justifications than those that derive from ETI encounter, but that does not render ETI encounter scenarios insignificant or irrelevant.” These greenie folks are more of a threat to civilization than little green men. Now it is official, people: they HAVE redefined what peer review is. /sarc On a more serious note, it strikes me that one teensy premise of the paper is way off the mark: even if we accept that aliens exist, are aware of and interested in us and our planet, and capable of detecting miniscule fluctuations in CO2 at huge distances, even then it strikes as anthropocentric in the extreme to assume that aliens would share a highly evolved taxonomical understanding of and appreciation for the Earth’s biodiversity with what is effectively a minority of the indigenous human population. Scene: the War Room (no smoking or fighting) “I’m sorry Mr President, but the aliens are about to land, we’ve tried nukes, fighters, no effect. Slim Whitman inflicted twenty percent casualties while the banjos and bagpipes have accounted for another twenty percent but we only have one weapon left.

Only you can authorise its use as it will destroy all intelligent life on the planet, one or two teenagers or those hard of hearing in deep bunkers might make it though.” The Presidents voice shook as he spoke the fateful words, “May God forgive us, Unleash the Beiber!”. George Turner says: August 18, 2011 at 2:45 pm “I, for one, look forward to an invasion attempt by these alien idiots who can stare at thousands of planets for millions of years and not realize that atmospheric gases change over time.” I agree with George, but for a different reason. Think about all of the past Star Trek episodes. Has any other single male besides me noticed that most of the alien women are really hot? Even the Borg queen. If any of you are monitoring this blog from afar, perhaps you could refer me to a reputable intergalactic dating website?:). Steve from Rockwood said August 19, 2011 at 3:30 pm: Robert of Ottawa says: August 19, 2011 at 11:07 am I find drinking beer regularlry has prevented aliens from invading Earth.

==================================================== Robert, you are confusing cause and effect I suggest you repeat the experiment. The lack of aliens invading Earth is causing Robert to drink beer regularly? Are you conducting your own similar experiments? [Robt requests additional data be gathered, more research into the alien/beer ratio be determined. As soon as possible, Robt ] 8. From Dave Worley on August 19, 2011 at 7:39 pm: My grant application is in the mail.have you noticed the cost of good beer?

Did you remember to tie it to global warming? If not, you might be stuck with. For additional anecdotal evidence, I never got in the habit of regular beer drinking, haven’t had any booze in years, and yet the Earth has still not been attacked by aliens. BTW, my lack of beer drinking may be traced to exposure to National Bohemian back in college. Cheapest stuff available, and almost worth the price. Heh, I wonder who on their PR staff wrote the Wikipedia entry (emphasis added): While once regarded as “that $6.00/case old man’s beer”, urban hipsters and American beer connoisseurs alike are re-discovering the health benefits and affordability of National Bohemian beer.

Health benefits? I will note there are many touting the health benefits of drinking urine as well. Should they now note the health benefit of avoiding alien invasions? Off to your research, Dave! Dear Dave R Aug 19 9.51 pm.

(With great respect I may add) May I suggest you don’t use the term ‘denier’. I am a skeptic about the AGW claim promoted by those who wish to gain financial benefits by corrupting the data to suit their hypothesis. While attending a lecture by Prof Robert Carter recently he pointed out, denying climate change is not the issue, and can be used against those who disagree with AGW. Climate change is real, but not driven by CO2 or carbon emissions. And more importantly cutting carbon emissions and turning to expensive clean energy will not change the climate anyway. I suggest that you and others emphasise you do believe in climate change as a natural cycle in Earth’s history.

But absolutely disagree with AGW as being false to the point it is fraudulent and a lie bringing real science study into disrepute. In the mean time folks look at this ‘Stop The Environment’ if this was meant to be a skit on skeptical science, then it didn’t work. It is funny though, are they suggesting again we can control the climate – warning, strong language used.

Marine at 4.15 am I wrote a book actually that concerned a ET who landed by a fault in her surveyor vessel and stranded on Earth.From a solar storm actually c 1788 the same time as the first colonisation by the British in Australia. She could not tolerate the lack of humidity and higher oxygen content of our atmosphere. She landed in the outback. So she had to don a humidity suit to survive in our atmosphere. However, she was able to maintain her physical needs by the help of Aborigines who directed her to an subterranean cavern where there was plenty of water and she survived in this artificial atmosphere driven by solar energy (from her craft) and plants that gave off more CO2 than oxygen. Until her ET mates could rescue her. I wrote it 20 years ago.

However – the plants she brought with her were also ET. It seems these plants had the same ESP as our canines seem to have and were a necessary companion on her flights. Must bring it up to date. Andrew Harding says: August 20, 2011 at 7:08 am “This must be a record on WUWT, 334 comments, 335 if this one gets through moderation. Is this a record? And can we please have some more idiotic but true posts please Anthony, I haven’t laughed so much for ages.” ========================================================= It’s a few hundred short of a record and my off-the-cuff guess would be that it’s not even in the top 50.

However congratulations on post #335, and you are correctomundo; the comments have been a hoot! ScepticalCanadian in the Gaurdian made me Laugh Out Loud. “There you have it folks the hard evidence we have all been waiting for to confirm the validity of the global warming theory. Now that catastrophic warming is a bust we must attempt to scare the population into action with reports of alines. What about the loch ness monster, big foot perhaps we could get a report on how global warming is affecting them?

I have often wondered how 1/2 degree of warming will affect poltergeist or goblins, could we get a report on this as well? LMAO Peer reviewed science indeed.”. The main Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet printed an article about this the 20. August: The phenomenal thing is that they (who have been believers in AGW from the start, and have had not a little responsibility for turning Norway into a land of believers and Norwegian politicians into the most AGW-taxing politicians in existence) included a poll: Who do you fear most? – Aliens, or – Alien-researchers? As you can see, Norwegian readers fear alien-researchers most: 87% as the poll had 15000 votes. The poll has now been deleted, and I have my suspicions why.

Why aren’t they already here? Check out “Flying to Valhalla”, by Pellegrino.

With the Rules for Alien Contact co-authored by Asimov. In a nutshell, at least some, or one, predatory space-going species would consider all other such to be competitors to be destroyed. Such a species would probably set up near-C missile factories around their star, and launch at any potential rival. Other races, not so aggressive, must consider that someone out there thinks like that.

The only rational self-preservation strategy is pre-emptive: do it first. So every technological species must reluctantly be obliged to destroy all others as soon as they are detected. That’s why there’s a Big Silence out there. Knowing the above, the only way to survive, additional setting up your own automated missile factories, is to be very quiet, and migrate to an unlikely locale around some other star, dig in, and hide.

About the missiles: a.92C shuttle-sized object would blow a hundred mile hole in the atmosphere and crust, and wipe out all advanced life. At that speed, you get to see its gamma wake at about 12X its actual distance from you. If it seems 1 light-month away, it’s actually about 4 days out. Time enough to bend over and kiss your bippy goodbye.